Gun and Knife Show at the Coliseum.
Not as entertaining as the Baptist Convention — and I’m afraid I don’t have as many good pictures.
Apparently people who are selling Nazi flags, bronze busts of Hitler and Rommel and stocking “The Turner Diaries” in the non-fiction section (all of which we saw) don’t like having their pictures taken. As I saw people ahead of me in the ticket line with very nice cameras and there was a machine dispensing disposable ones right next to the entrance it didn’t even occur to me this might be a problem.
I’d been snapping pictures for a few minutes when one of the guys with a booth tells me: “You can’t do that, Mister…”
“Can’t…what?” I say.
“Take pictures,” he said. “That’s not allowed.”
Which I assumed meant at his particular booth – where he was selling replica pistols with confederate-flags on the pearl handles. Fair enough. His booth – his rules. I go on talking with people and snapping pictures – including this one of a booth that was selling books on “The Real History of the Civil War” including these…
From left to right that’s “The American Flag is the Real Slave Flag” (a sentiment I’m sure many of the retired Marines in attendance, who fought under that flag, would have argued) and “Honest Abe Wasn’t Honest” – a thin volume sliming one of the nation’s greatest presidents.
I also snapped this one, of Chris holding a toy assault rifle that, at first, we weren’t sure wasn’t real:
Whenever I took pictures of an actual booth or person I asked permission and, surprisingly, got the nod from a number of people.
Then I turn around and there’s a Greensboro police officer standing right next to me.
“What are you doing, sir…?”
“Um…taking a picture.”
“You can’t do that.”
“I…can’t?”
“Nope. Not in here. We’ve had some people complaining about you.”
“Me?”
(At this point I’m thinking: “Me? Not the guy who’s selling the “How to Build Your Own Bazooka” books to 12 year olds (which we actually saw) or the guys selling brass knuckles and lock-pick guns…but me with my camera?”)
“Yes, you.”
“Oh. Well, I’ve seen a lot of other cameras here. There’s one guy with what looks like professional equipment…”
“Yeah, well don’t do that anymore…”
And the cop walks off – right past the guy with the really nice camera, amusingly enough, though by now he’d tucked it away into a green messenger bag.
So – not as many pictures as I would have liked.
As we walked around not snapping pictures this ban on photography seemed to make more and more sense. There were (mostly) a few types of people there:
1) Survivalists. Guys perusing booths selling gas masks, camouflaged safes and buying books with titles like: “Erase Your Identity Completely,” “How to Fight the New World Order,” “Building Your Own Survival Shelter” and “Things to Do Until the Revolution.” Depending upon which survivalist scenario you buy into there could be a nuclear war coming, a war with communism, a war between the races, a religious war or a war on “Free Men” waged by a monolithic government (in this scenario George W. Bush is just as big a threat as Hillary Clinton – government itself is the enemy).
2) Hunters. Guys buying fox urine and $1,500 rifles with night vision scopes to take out deer from tree stands. There seemed to be a little crossover here with the survivalists as I saw a number of books about how, after the revolution, those who can’t hunt will die.
3) Revisionist History Buffs. Guys selling glowing tomes on Nazis and the Confederacy, pushing collectible knives with swastikas and confederate flags, talking with younger guys about how everything you read about these groups is garbage from liberal pinko commie fags.
4) Young black guys in do-rags and Malcolm X T-shirts. This last group was certainly in the minority, but I did see a number of them – two of whom were wearing the same “By Any Means Necessary” shirt with this picture of Malcolm X:
Chatting up a couple I asked whether all the Nazi and confederate stuff bothered them at a show like this. To a man they all said essentially the same thing (I’m paraphrasing):
“Eh – not really. As long as no one says anything racist to me I say live and let live. I live in the South. You don’t have to like this kind of stuff but you do have to expect it.”
That may have been the strangest, most surreal thing I heard all day.
But it occurred to me that almost everyone who fit into one of these groups (and people weren’t just there sight-seeing) had one thing in common:
They believe there’s trouble coming from some enemy (who differs depending on who you ask) and that guns will be essential in this conflict. When you have that mentality it isn’t hard to imagine that anyone with a camera could be one of or gathering information for THEM.
One would think that with this many NRA members in the room no one would think of buying guns or knives as an act so shameful cameras should be banned from the premises. They’ll let you bring cameras onto the floor of pornographers’ conventions – even encourage it. In this place, though, there was a blackout.
On our way out we stopped at a half price booth and picked up the following deadly toys, all for less than the price of a single DVD:
A closer look….
A set of handcuffs designed to limit range of motion. I won’t be using these on anyone who doesn’t ask.
These brass knuckles were being sold alternately as “Belt Buckles” and “Paper Weights.”
This butterfly knife cost me less than the AA batteries I put in my camera this morning.
This telescoping metal baton extends all the way out into this…
Using any one of these in a fight (minus perhaps the cuffs) would get you smacked with, at a minimum, an armed assault charge. Get caught with some of them in your pocket and you’ll wind up in court.
But the important thing to remember at a show like this: Don’t bring your camera.



















23 Comments
August 27, 2006 at 9:45 pm
looks like a show for a bunch of men who never stopped playing cowboys and indians, as if their childhood imagination never evolved into something constructive.
August 27, 2006 at 10:29 pm
Don’t worry… we had to keep the lens caps on, but much like the many men who claimed they could kill without weapons, I can take pictures without a camera. The next Framed’s gonna rock.
August 28, 2006 at 1:14 am
I’m jealous to the point of anger that you got to go. Where was I? Out of town yesterday, and in the Carolinian office today. All damn day. I could use a knife right now…
August 28, 2006 at 2:30 am
I know a place where you can get one real cheap…
August 28, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Well, I am no survivalist. Just a guy who is very interested in the topics you’ll come across at a gun/knife show. I really wanted to buy a Nazi flag and use it as emergency toilet paper (I am not kidding) but instead, I bought a rifle. I was actually surprised to see as many african-americans there, as I and my brother added to that number. And honestly, I am ok with all the different things and people. I too am a southerner and expect such displays and behavior. I just live with it and as long as it doesn’t go to far, then I don’t have a big problem. While I would love for everyone in the world to only dislike someone for their personality and not their physical traits/beliefs/etc, that is not going to happen.
Now, I do draw the line on certain things that can be purchased. I am less worried about Nazi/Confederate material, brass knuckles, batons, and butterfly knives. I am more worried about Uzi’s made by bad ass’d Hebrews and P90 assault rifles. These are guns that can riddle a target with thousands of rounds a minute. OH, sniper rifles! I saw a few Russian Dragunovs. I can probably understand a hunter buying this thing (thats pushing it though), but I don’t think it is the typical hunting rifle, unless you’re trying to kill Bambi’s mom almost 1000 yards away.
August 28, 2006 at 7:30 pm
The scariest thing about gun fanatics (as opposed to people who just like to hunt, collect, or have other normal interests in weaponry) is not the fact that they’re so into firearms and other deadly gadgets – it’s that they are all paranoid. They seriously do think liberals only want gun control so they can keep track of and raid the houses of good Christian NRA members when the time comes. They think queers are raising an army and infiltrating our schools. They think anyone of another race is also raising an army. They think feminists are raising an army. Anyone who is “against” them is raising an army, and all the pacifistic, anti-gun rhetoric such groups throw out there is just a cover. And of course, if you try to reason with such fanatics and show them factual evidence of why these paranoid fantasies are just that, they immediately assume you are one of THEM, and you are not to be trusted. Logic? Rationality? That’s just liberal propaganda.
Having lived in the South all my life, I don’t think I’m exaggerating in the slightest.
August 28, 2006 at 7:35 pm
P.S. I’m also annoyed that the term “survivalist” is so often tied up with people who are preparing to survive the Apocalypse, not just guys who know how to hunt, trap, & prepare wild game, build a shelter out of brush, and start a fire without matches. In my mind, a survivalist is more like a Boy Scout than a Minuteman.
August 28, 2006 at 8:15 pm
I think “outdoorsman” is a much better term for the type of people you’re describing.
I can “survive” outdoors…but I wouldn’t call myself a survivalist. or an outdoorsman for that matter. It’s hot out there.
August 28, 2006 at 9:05 pm
Gun shows exist because of the custom nature of firearms and accessories which a single store simply can’t meet.
For those who would like to see photos of the mystery of a gun show, google the two words in the image search engine. Lots to look at.
PS…the shows over the past 4 years are significantly tamer in terms of survialist booths and “subversive” literature as compared to pre-911.
As far as anonimity goes, it was a pay attraction with set rules, you either abide or leave.
August 28, 2006 at 9:31 pm
…thanks for clearing up the mysterious nature of the show… anonymous.
My question, I guess, is why at this particular show, as opposed to so many other kinds held at the Coliseum for which there are no such rules, is there the feeling that no one should be taking pictures? I’ve offered my opinion, based on the vibe. Maybe you have a different explanation…but “rules is rules” doesn’t really go very far toward getting there.
I don’t own a gun, but I have no particular moral or ethical objection to them. Doesn’t seem to me many of the people at the show did, either…so why’s everyone so shy? And why the objection to taking pictures even of inanimate objects when their owners don’t mind at all?
Also…if the survivalist and “subversive” element has declined since 9-11 I shudder to think what it must have looked like before.
August 28, 2006 at 11:29 pm
I was at the show Saturday morning, and I was struck by the different sorts of people I met there. Surely, I saw the people you mentioned; a gun show is a pretty good place to go to see “gun nuts.” But I also saw lots of hunters (I assume, because they were looking at shotguns and dove season is a week away) and collectors (because they were looking at pistols that cost a month’s salary–and would lose most of their value as soon as they were fired).
Some parking spaces were taken by pickup trucks and SUV’s–but there were lots of BMW’s and Lexuses, too. Admittedly, most of those vehicles sported Bush/Burr stickers of one kind or another–I’m pretty sure mine was the only “God is NOT a Republican” sticker in the lot.
My guess is that most of the “survivalist” books have been hauled around from show to show for the past decade–there is certainly more current material available for free on the internet. But those vendors were the most fun to talk to–or listen to anyway.
I didn’t spend more than a couple of hours there–the show was pretty crowded, and I didn’t see anything I couldn’t buy elsewhere for less. I just started target shooting a few months back; I find it fun and relaxing, and, though I wasn’t raised with guns in the house, now that I’m 40-something I get to do things just because I enjoy them. As long as I don’t talk about it too much around my wife, a Million Mom Marcher and avowed enemy of all firearms.
I think you needed one more category, just for me: Born again-progressive evangelical-bleeding heart Democrat-vegetarian-handgun owners.
August 28, 2006 at 11:51 pm
There were certainly people there who fit into no particular category. I was one of them and Chris another.
This why I said there were “(mostly) a few types of people there.”
You sound like you may be a tad to the left of me – and neither of us think firearms are evil. Like you, I have a partner who does, though.
Just shows it takes all types.
At the gun show, though, I think it was mostly scarier types – which is what lead me to believe a fear of being photographed and documented lead to the “no cameras” policy.
August 29, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Joe:
The baton is called and ASP. I remember when I worked as a magistrate in the early-90s and the state troopers were first showing them off. They are trained to hit you in the knee socket or the collar bone with the asp.
Which is why my only reply to a cop is “Yes, sir.”
August 29, 2006 at 3:51 pm
I think this is also the type of baton that a protestor was charged with carrying during the demonstration-turned-ugly on the night of the last State of the Union.
August 31, 2006 at 1:21 pm
I have attended a few gun & knive shows lately, in hopes of picking up a 20 G shotgun inexpensively. Not going to happen there. Wal-mart and the local gun dealer had a much better price, with the same quaility. I think this people nees to grow up. If we are attacked,just what can one man do against a full army. Folks give your heart to God. I KNOW that he will sort out the mess this world has become.
August 31, 2006 at 1:48 pm
I think many of these people would have agreed with you …it’s just that they think God’s going to be using MEN WITH GUNS to get the job done.
September 3, 2006 at 2:41 am
“From left to right that’s ‘The American Flag is the Real Slave Flag’ (a sentiment I’m sure many of the retired Marines in attendance, who fought under that flag, would have argued)…”
The flag of any state is a flag of slavery.
“and ‘Honest Abe Wasn’t Honest’ – a thin volume sliming one of the nation’s greatest presidents.”
So you consider someone great who is responsible for the murder of 600,000 people because he repudiated the idea of government by the consent of the governed, not to mention the fact that he arrested and imprisoned hundreds, maybe thousands of people who had committed no crimes merely because he suspected they were against the war, destroyed newspapers who dared to criticize him, and suspended habeas corpus, among other things?
Nice.
September 7, 2006 at 6:00 am
Geez.
I guess you’re right.
All government = slavery.
Civil War & Abolition = totalitarian injustice.
Glad you cleared that up for me.
And with such a well reasoned and nuanced argument.
My years of study in political science and history were clearly a complete waste of time.
September 11, 2006 at 2:58 am
“All government = slavery.”
No, I didn’t say that. I said government that rules without consent is slavery.
“Civil War & Abolition = totalitarian injustice.”
Forcing someone to live under your rule is enslavement, not abolition. And I never called war civil.
“And with such a well reasoned and nuanced argument.”
I admit I unnecessarily took an aggressive tone, and I wish I hadn’t. But I don’t think the argument wasn’t well reasoned. Can you prove the argument wrong?
“My years of study in political science and history were clearly a complete waste of time.”
I wouldn’t say a complete waste, but I have little doubt that the government schools did their fair share of damage, just as they did to me. Luckily I started studying history on my own and thinking about it independently rather than in the manner in which they prescribed. I hope you’ll reexamine Lincoln and what he did. His war was fought to free the slaves just like the Iraq war is about freeing the Iraqis.
December 19, 2006 at 9:45 pm
Excellent amigos!
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February 8, 2007 at 3:36 am
I have just now read your blog about the Greensboro Gun Show and feel compelled to comment on your observations. As a long time professional firearms dealer and a militaria collector I have attended that show from its inception…Your comments on the products and people at the show failed to consider the majority of collector goods offered and you really give your readers an extremely slanted viewpoint (which is yours to give-it is your blog…It’s simple to point out a knob head with a small brain pan, which needs doing sometimes, but you paint with too large a brush in this case…Most folks who attend this and similar shows are average people with a hobby they enjoy and share-collectors, hunters, shooters, etc. You may want to consider talking with true historians, collectors and dealers at this show who will give you a more realistic insight without the sad comic relief that you seem to feel best describes it. Ed Hicks
October 26, 2008 at 6:31 am
Thank you Ed
August 5, 2009 at 10:05 pm
next time just by one of those cheap spy camera
from a geek shop